Two Heads Are Better Than One
What happens when two former Head Teachers finally say what they really think?
Candid stories, insider laughs, and honest reflections from life at the top of Scottish independent schools. Smart, funny, and refreshingly human — because two Heads really are better than one.
Podcast Description
What happens when two former Head Teachers finally say what they really think?
Candid stories, insider laughs, and honest reflections from life at the top of Scottish independent schools. Smart, funny, and refreshingly human — because two Heads really are better than one.
Episodes

5 days ago
5 days ago
51 min
Rod and Cameron are joined by Lindsay Paterson, Emeritus Professor of Education Policy at the University of Edinburgh, to discuss the current state of Scottish education, particularly focusing on the Curriculum for Excellence. Lindsay critiques the curriculum's failure to adequately prepare students with systematic knowledge, emphasising the need for a balance between engaging teaching methods and foundational knowledge.
They explores the historical influences of university academics on education policy, the importance of teacher motivations, and the necessity of cross-disciplinary learning. Lindsay also compares Scottish education with systems from other countries, advocating for a more structured approach to literacy and numeracy across the curriculum.
This conversation explores the significance of literature in understanding humanity, the importance of knowledge in education, the challenges faced by disadvantaged children, and the effectiveness of teacher training and curriculum in Scottish schools. They also highlight the need for better teacher training to equip educators with the necessary skills and knowledge to foster critical thinking and confidence in students.
We'd love to hear your thoughts, stories and questions about schools and education today. Email or send us a voice note to rodandcameron@gmail.com

Jun 16, 2026
Are Independent Schools Worth It?
Jun 16, 2026
Jun 16, 2026
37 min
"What if every school had the autonomy to deliver the best possible education?”
Whether you're a parent considering school options, a teacher interested in education policy or just simply care about the future of Scottish schools, this conversation offers an honest and engaging perspective on one of education's most important debates.
Rod and Cameron explore the value and challenges of independent education in Scotland, covering discipline, autonomy, extracurricular activities, facilities, and funding. They debate the impact of private schools on society and consider innovative ideas for reforming the entire education system.
The conversation goes beyond the public versus private debate to ask a bigger question: What if every school had the freedom and support to deliver the best possible education?
Key Takeaways from this episode
1. School culture matters as much as academic results.The discussion argues that clear expectations, consistent boundaries and strong relationships create environments where children feel secure and ready to learn.
2. Teacher autonomy can improve educational outcomes.When schools have greater freedom over policies, curriculum delivery and discipline, teachers can respond more effectively to the needs of their pupils and communities.
3. Opportunity extends beyond the classroom.Access to extracurricular activities, from music and sport to debating and drama, helps young people discover their strengths, build friendships and develop confidence.
Key Topics Covered
Independent vs state schools
Discipline and behaviour management
Teacher autonomy and retention
Mobile phone policies in schools
Extracurricular opportunities
Educational outcomes in Scotland
Parental engagement
School funding and policy reform
Curriculum for Excellence
The future of Scottish education
We'd love to hear your thoughts, stories and questions about schools and education today. Email or send us a voice note to rodandcameron@gmail.com

May 20, 2026
May 20, 2026
53 min
“The most important stuff in life cannot be measured.” — Kenny Primrose
What is character education — and should schools be responsible for shaping the values, virtues and personalities of young people?
Rod and Cameron are joined by teacher and character education specialist Kenny Primrose for a wide-ranging conversation on leadership, kindness, morality, resilience and the true purpose of education.
They explore whether schools should actively develop character traits such as courage, honesty, integrity and compassion, or whether these qualities are formed primarily through family and life experience. What is the role of extracurricular activity, leadership in schools, school culture, Curriculum for Excellence, teamwork, trauma-informed education and the challenge of defining what it means to be a “good human being” because school is about far more than exam results.
Along the way, the episode touches on:
Character education in schools
Scottish education and school leadership
Human flourishing and wellbeing
Kindness as a school value
Personal development and resilience
Trauma, trust and early intervention
Public speaking confidence and personal growth
The impact of assemblies and school culture
Education philosophy and moral development
With some deeply personal reflections from Rod, Cameron and Kenny about shyness, confidence, leadership, failure, public speaking and the experiences that shaped their own character over time all three reflect on how they have became the teachers they have.
So, if you’re interested in education, leadership, teaching, school culture, wellbeing, child development or the future of Scottish education, this is an episode packed with insight, debate and reflection
And if you want to find out more about Kenny…..
Kenny Primose Online
The Examined Life podcast by Kenny
We'd love to hear your thoughts, stories and questions about schools and education today. Email or send us a voice note to rodandcameron@gmail.com

Apr 27, 2026
Apr 27, 2026
55 min
With the Scottish Election on 7 May fast approaching, education policy should be front and centre in the political debate—yet it often takes a back seat to issues like the cost of living and healthcare. In the last Two Heads Are Better Than One podcast before the election, Rod Grant and Cameron Wyllie conduct a detailed analysis of each party’s Scottish education manifesto, comparing how the Conservatives, Greens, Labour, Liberal Democrats, Reform UK, and SNP plan to tackle what many see as a crisis in Scottish schools.
In this podcast hear directly from Stephen Kerr for the Conservatives, Paul O'Kane from Labour, Willie Rennie for the Liberal Democrats and Malcolm Offord for Reform UK.
We explore major themes including Curriculum for Excellence reform, the widening attainment gap in Scotland, Additional Support Need provision, classroom discipline, teacher recruitment, and the future of Scottish school exams. Crucially, we’ll also examine how realistic and deliverable these policies are in practice.
We'd love to hear your thoughts, stories and questions about schools and education today. Email or send us a voice note to rodandcameron@gmail.com

Apr 8, 2026
Rod and Cameron’s Education Manifesto
Apr 8, 2026
Apr 8, 2026
42 min
Ahead of the Scottish election in May, in this episode of Two Heads Are Better Than One, Rod Grant and Cameron Wyllie discuss their personal educational priorities and manifesto for Scottish schools, focusing on autonomy, accountability, curriculum, behaviour, and funding. They explore practical reforms and policy ideas to improve Scottish education ahead of the upcoming election.
Key Topics of discussion
School autonomy and governance
Role and effectiveness of Education Scotland
Classroom discipline and behavior management
Mainstreaming and special educational needs
Funding and resource allocation in education
Teacher training reform and practical experience
Curriculum for Excellence critique and alternatives
Extracurricular activities and student engagement
Keywords
Scottish education, school reform, autonomy, curriculum, behaviour, funding, education policy, teacher training, extracurricular activities, education Scotland

Mar 17, 2026
Additional Support Needs: Challenges & Solutions
Mar 17, 2026
Mar 17, 2026
46 min
In the latest episode of the podcast, "Two Heads are Better Than One", hosts Rod Grant and Cameron Wyllie explore the complexities of additional support needs in Scottish schools, including policy, inclusion, and the impact on teachers and parents. Special guest Leisa Randall, Educational Psychologist, provides expert insights into the challenges and opportunities for improving support for all children.
We'd love to hear your thoughts, stories and questions about schools and education today. Email or send us a voice note to rodandcameron@gmail.com

Feb 27, 2026
Classroom Capers: Tales of Mischief and Mayhem
Feb 27, 2026
Feb 27, 2026
38 min
In the latest episode of the podcast "Two Heads are Better Than One," hosts Rod Grant and Cameron Wyllie look at the funny side of teaching. Discover hilarious and unexpected moments from teachers' classrooms, school inspections, and student antics. Join us for a collection of amusing anecdotes that reveal the humorous side of education and the clever ways kids sometimes outsmart their teachers.
We'd love to hear your thoughts, stories and questions about schools and education today. Email or send us a voice note to rodandcameron@gmail.com

Jan 13, 2026
Bullying
Jan 13, 2026
Jan 13, 2026
41 min
In the latest episode of the podcast "Two Heads are Better Than One," hosts Rod Grant and Cameron Wyllie tackle the tough topic of bullying in schools. Discover what it is, what it isn't, and how we can all play a part in creating a safer environment for our kids.
#StopBullying #SchoolSafety #TwoHeadsPodcast
We'd love to hear your thoughts, stories and questions about schools and education today. Email or send us a voice note to rodandcameron@gmail.com

Dec 17, 2025
Rod and Cameron’s Christmas Special
Dec 17, 2025
Dec 17, 2025
37 min
In the latest episode of the podcast "Two Heads are Better Than One," hosts Rod Grant and Cameron Wyllie discuss all things Christmas; from our favourite Nativity stories to what goes on behind the scenes at staff Christmas parties, and so much more! Get into the Festive spirit with some joyous reminiscing of Christmas time in schools.
We'd love to hear your thoughts, stories and questions about schools and education today. Email or send us a voice note to rodandcameron@gmail.com

Nov 24, 2025
What makes a great lesson?
Nov 24, 2025
Nov 24, 2025
40 min
"Everybody should start at the same point."
In this episode of 'Two Heads are Better Than One', Rod Grant and Cameron Wyllie sit down and chat with education expert with Bruce Robertson, CEO of Next Level Educational and former head teacher at Berwickshire High School.
Starting with some listener feedback and teaching stories, like the time 5 P7 pupils were excluded on day for scraping and asking should you suspend pupils for swearing at teachers?
But the key theme to this conversation is what constitutes a great lesson?
Bruce shares insights from his extensive experience in education, emphasising the need for clarity in curriculum, the significance of engaging lessons, and the necessity of professional development for teachers. They highlight the challenges and opportunities within the educational landscape, advocating for a more informed and collaborative approach to teaching and learning.
Key Insight:
Clarity is key! Teachers must be clear about what students need to learn to foster real understanding.
Key Takeaways:
A great lesson starts with clear learning intentions.
Engagement in lessons is essential for student interest.
Curriculum clarity is vital for effective teaching.
Differentiation should focus on outcomes, not just ability groups.
Success in learning is a key motivator for students.
Professional reading helps teachers make informed decisions.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction
02:47 Discipline and Consequences in Schools
05:56 Restorative Practices vs. Sanctions
09:01 Parental Support and School Decisions
11:49 Feedback and Perspectives on Education
16:46 What Makes a Great Lesson?
29:37 Curriculum Clarity and Content
38:50 Final Tips for Effective Teaching
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